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Web of Wonder
« on: January 23, 2016, 09:22:32 pm »
Keeping it simple here.  For my first build, I'm working on a basic 2P cabinet with a Spider-man theme.  Because I live with a couple headstrong ladies, it will also incorporate some Wonder Woman as well.  The overall structure is heavily based on OND's basic layout in the sticky.  I was confused about a few steps in the making, so I'll try to clarify what I'm doing in those areas. 

Specs:
MDF (mostly)
Ultimate 360 Sticks (x2)
IL buttons with with RGB inserts from Paradise
    Four leaf switch button per side. Leaf mods from Paradise.
I-pac Ultimate
U-Trak trackball
Cheap ass widescreen TV
Scan line generator
Coin door mechs from Twisted Quarter
   Extra mech for magic tokens

Special Specs:
SPIDEY SENSE GAME SELECTION SYSTEM:
I am trying to create and implement an RFID activation tag feature.  This is not really something with mass appeal, or much use to anyone who has a dedicated cab or prefers a good front end.  So why bother?  Kids and other dumb-asses who will not be able to navigate a front end.  I know myself well enough that I do not want to be called over every 5 minutes during a party to help change games.  So my goal is to have a bucket of quarters for the credits and a bucket of magic tokens to select the game.  I am hoping this will work particularly well for the 8 & under crowd.  I am planning to pick 50-100 good games and make a dedicated token for each.  All the user has to do is pick the token of the game they want, shove it in and the game launches automatically.  Want to switch games?  Shove a new token in.  I'm not sure if I'll get there, but I'm going to try...

To do list:

Finish artwork
Cut out final Control Panel
Bezel graphics, instructions?
Install LED for trackball
Install LED backlights for speakers
Modify buttons from microswitches to leaf switches
Get separate toggle for scanline generator?
Get T molding
Get smart powerstrip
Get USB port
Get keylock switch 3pst for coin ups
Get 4pst switch for admin buttons
Get LED strips for front and bottom of cab
Get/fabricate mounts for marquee
Mount amp and volume controls
Prepare 2nd ATX power supply

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2016, 09:34:33 pm »


Start!

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2016, 09:53:10 pm »
Good luck with your build. I love pictures like that! 

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2016, 10:07:35 pm »
Is that a glass of scotch?  ::)

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2016, 10:36:51 pm »
Your a better person than me, I would still be arguing with the gals about how you can't mix Marvel and DC.

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2016, 09:35:23 pm »
Woman skimpy outfit or distressed teen with hormone issues?

Shoot... Wonder Woman hands down.

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2016, 09:59:35 pm »
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Is that a glass of scotch?  ::)

Sure is!

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Hahaha.  I wondered how long it would be before someone brought that up!   ;)  Oh well, universes are colliding on this one!

I'm going to go with a darker, modern WW.  Gal Gadot style.  ;D



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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2016, 11:05:46 pm »
Side panels cut out:



Back panel cut out.  Routing straight edge:



Side and back panels on, attached to base:



Mirrored cut outs for the two front panels:



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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2016, 11:38:34 pm »
Attaching the front panels with coin cut-outs:



Back panel.  I used three large circular holes.  Hopefully it will give me some flexibility with the control panel, since I haven't quite fleshed the CP out totally...  :-\



My nail gun broke!  I think I didn't oil it like I should.  So... screws from here on out!
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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2016, 11:42:40 pm »
That's some quality work!  :applaud:

The part I always worry about the most is finishing using paint.

Keep up the good work.

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2016, 11:55:54 pm »
Thanks dude.  This has to be the most accurate thing I've ever made out of wood.  I'm really excited to get to use the router that's been sitting around in my tool bucket.  Glad I found these forums!!! 

I'm dreaming about painting for the last couple weeks.  It would symbolically be a new "phase", but I'm sure I'll want to die with all those coats and sanding and waiting for coats to dry... And I suck at painting anything!  :D

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2016, 12:11:08 am »
I'm sure it looks weird, but here's how I angled the bezel around the monitor cut-out:



I wasn't sure how to angle the monitor bezel, so I lined it up with the straight edge of the cabinet sides and used a large clamp to "pinch" the sides in and hold it in place (gently) while I measured:





That's bondo on the belzel where I nicked it with my sub-par router skills.  :embarassed:

Then I tightened up the clamp and went inside to install the bracing.  I held the pieces in place, drilled:



Then I drilled through the side panels:



And then screwed in from the exterior:



Finally, I drilled and screwed in the bezel:



And then I did the top half of the bezel.  I wonder, should I use more than four screws?


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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2016, 08:44:25 am »
4 screws will hold it securely, but nothing says OCD with a hint of psychosis like 40 screws.

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2016, 09:24:51 pm »
I am doing a mock-up of the CP.  I have a dilemma I am hoping for some input on. I wanted to hide the bolt heads b/c I like the clean look.  I also want the possibility of swapping sticks if necessary to repair or something in the future. 

I am using the US 360 with a standard shaft.  I think I want to use a standard shaft instead of the extended one because the throw feels good and I don't think I would like it much longer.  Obviously, with 3/4 inch MDF for the top, the stick is too short to simply mount the stick under the CP top.  So I tried rebating the underside of the CP top 1/2", which gives the stick a good height, but only leaves 1/4" to mount the stick onto.  I toyed around with using inserts, which could be ground down, but I'm worried they will not give the stick enough support.  I could screw some strips of wood into the bottom to support the plate from underneath...

I'm thinking options would be to find an "s" plate, or maybe a thin metal panel on the top of the CP, rebated into it to provide strength and have the bolts welded to it or something.   Any suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks!





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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2016, 11:13:09 pm »
Get these from paradise arcade and top mount....



   

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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2016, 11:21:31 pm »
I could screw some strips of wood into the bottom to support the plate from underneath...
Check out "Under mount (support blocks)" here in the FAQ.


EMDB uses 10 threaded inserts :o , but 4 is plenty.   ;D



You can also use 2 bars instead of a square plate.


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Re: Spidey-cade
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2016, 09:22:34 pm »
Thanks PL1.  I am thinking that is my best option.

Rablack97, if i top mount with a plate and vinyl over it, what prevents the mounting screws from spinning on the plate freely when tightening the nuts underneath?

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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2016, 12:17:58 am »
Not sure i'm following you, a screwdriver? :dunno











However, if your going adhesive vinyl on top you have no choice but to undermount, with PL1's suggested method.  Unless you countersink your screw and bondo/woodfill, the the vinyl will show where your screw holes are when its sticks.
   

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2016, 11:42:08 pm »
Yes, I am planning on using adhesive vinyl, so I will go with the undermount with supports.  Thanks, it's great having solid veterans give advice!  :afro:

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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2016, 12:02:15 am »
So, here is my trial attempt at bolting down a piece of wood to secure the joystick plate.  Curious if I need to also have screws on the plate itself to help keep the stick centered. I didn't see anyone else doing this but it seems necessary to keep the plate from shifting in the oversized rebate? 



I'm thinking of using these bars instead of a cutout square metal plate. I think 2 bars should give it enough support.



Does the height of my trackball look OK?  I was planning on using the ring (pictured on the side).  Or should I go for more of a flush mount without the ring?

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2016, 11:30:41 pm »
Finally get to bondo and primer paint!  I think the only woodwork left is the CP.



I also threw together a mount for the monitor.  I wasn't too sure how to do this and still make it reasonably accessible for repair or to upgrade the monitor.  It is such a tight fit horizontally, I'll probably have to take it out the front side but I tried to make the brackets removable from behind.





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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2016, 11:35:54 pm »


I have a bit of a problem with the buttons.  I realize with some testing that I really like the feel of the leaf-switch buttons.  Only, I have already stocked up on the IL microswitch buttons.  I think I will be happy with only 3 or 4 leafs per side (6-8 total), but I want the black plunger and clear surround for the LEDs.  Has anyone tried to convert a microswitch button to a leaf?  Or, better yet, is there a matching leaf switch button on the market that has the clear/black combination I am looking for?   :dunno

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2016, 12:48:00 am »
Has anyone tried to convert a microswitch button to a leaf?
Micro-Leaf™ Arcade Pushbutton Switches:
http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=71&products_id=309

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2016, 09:55:22 am »
Anxious to see some artwork here! Big Spiderman/comic book fan!   :applaud:

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2016, 12:53:28 pm »
This build looks very promising. You are finding bondo to be useful stuff yeah? I'm a big fan of it myself, keep up the good work JudgeRob.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2016, 02:06:13 pm »
I dig the progress so far, and the name of the cabinet!  :)
Looking forward to seeing how you dress this one up.

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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2016, 04:26:19 pm »
Thanks for the encouragement!  :)  Artwork is still a work in progress, but it is progressing.  I've been focusing on the control panel first.  I'll throw up some of it tonight.  Like I said, it is a strange blend of Wonder Woman and Spider-Man.  The cab is going to be divided with WW on the left half and SM on the right.  I've decided to go with more of a "real" live action art as opposed to comic art.  It's been a difficult part of this project for me.  I've discovered I am not as artistically inclined as I thought I was!   :-[

I found some decent fonts (I think) for the marquee.  I still need to decide what kind of action (if any) to go on the marquee.  I also need to finalize which Spider-Man pic to put on the right side panel. 

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Yeah, it's good stuff.  My only gripe is it sets up pretty fast, so it's hard to mix and use a lot of it at once.  It dries really hard.   Any issues using a router on it?  I had to fill in some parts of my T molding channel where I messed up and need to cut through it again.
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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2016, 05:09:16 pm »
Any issues using a router on it?  I had to fill in some parts of my T molding channel where I messed up and need to cut through it again.

Bondo routes really well especially when used with MDF just make sure the bits are nice and sharp for a clean edge.

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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2016, 08:27:37 pm »
4 screws will hold it securely, but nothing says OCD with a hint of psychosis like 40 screws.

I agree  - nothing says crazy like 40 screws!  In case you (or anyone reading this build) is interested in the strength of a screwed butt joint, here is an interesting mostly scientific analysis.  Even though they use pocket holes, that shouldn't really matter.  And yes, I said screwed butt joint, get over it PBJ.

https://woodgears.ca/joint_strength/pockethole.html

Your build is looking great (and so is your workshop/tools).  I also see you have a lot of fingers left - keep it that way by only having Scotch while drafting (booze and power tools will put you in front of a high school shop class as a guest speaker pretty quick...)

Cheers!
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2016, 09:53:03 pm »
Guilty as charged.   :-[  I usually drink beers while I work.  I know my limit when I'm using different tools, but I'm sure everyone says that.  After a few beers, I don't use anything high speed or circular saws.

Interesting article.  I've wanted a pocket hole jig for a while now.  Not sure my monitor bezel needs that kind of mounting strength though!   :lol

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2016, 10:08:40 pm »
Here's a preview combination pic.  The fonts are what I am working on for the marquee.  The "WEB" will have more of a web texture though, instead of chiseled rock.  For "WONDER" I went with more of a primal paintbrush look to give homage to the amazonian heritage.  The pictures are what I am trying to blend together for the control panel (which won't have any words).  It's a little busy.  I might tone down the background a little.  My brother is actually doing all the photoshopping.  He's working to polish and finalize this raw concept.



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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2016, 10:23:22 pm »
Came across this sweet find for my speakers.  The spider grills are perfect!  I'm sure the speakers will sound like garbage, but for 20 bucks, it's worth it for the grills alone, even if I have to replace the speakers.  The cones are translucent, so my plan is to back light them.  Not sure what color to use???




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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2016, 03:25:17 pm »
*puts on brutally honest hat*

You need to change that artwork. I quite think the opposite of your post in that you SHOULD use animated images versus live action. I really feel you should nix Wonder Woman and maybe go with Spider-Woman, or even Spider-Gwen with Spiderman. 

Live action just brings two TOTALLY different styles, where animation you can get away with more as it's mostly lines and colors, both of which you can alter to get at least a SOMEWHAT cohesive mix.

Either that, or put on your big boy pants, and build the Spiderman cabinet you really want, and maybe do a bartop or mini of Wonder Woman for the girls once you gain all the knowledge from your first build. From the speaker grills you have chosen, you are not leaving much to the "Wonder Woman" theme, and it's going to be even worse if Spiderman is the dominant design with 3 pictures of WW thrown in to keep the girls happy. I have a wife and 2 daughters, so I get the pain, but c'mon man.  I would be happy to work on some samples if you wish.

And to appease the "if you don't have something nice to say" crowd, I think this build is awesome, and it's your machine that you'll have to look at, but I am saying something early on instead of letting you get all your artwork printed and hating it.

Keep up the good work!

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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2016, 04:08:05 pm »
*puts on brutally honest hat*

You need to change that artwork. I quite think the opposite of your post in that you SHOULD use animated images versus live action. I really feel you should nix Wonder Woman and maybe go with Spider-Woman, or even Spider-Gwen with Spiderman. 

Live action just brings two TOTALLY different styles, where animation you can get away with more as it's mostly lines and colors, both of which you can alter to get at least a SOMEWHAT cohesive mix.

Either that, or put on your big boy pants, and build the Spiderman cabinet you really want, and maybe do a bartop or mini of Wonder Woman for the girls once you gain all the knowledge from your first build. From the speaker grills you have chosen, you are not leaving much to the "Wonder Woman" theme, and it's going to be even worse if Spiderman is the dominant design with 3 pictures of WW thrown in to keep the girls happy. I have a wife and 2 daughters, so I get the pain, but c'mon man.  I would be happy to work on some samples if you wish.

And to appease the "if you don't have something nice to say" crowd, I think this build is awesome, and it's your machine that you'll have to look at, but I am saying something early on instead of letting you get all your artwork printed and hating it.

Keep up the good work!

Heh, this is the benefit (and it IS a benefit) of sharing your project on the forum. Honest advice from folks who understand arcade aesthetics.  In short, I agree with reptileink's feedback on the artwork mock-up.   If you're fixed on mixing the two super heroes in a split I'd definitely stick to cartoon style artwork rather than live action with clean color separation left and right.  Your build standard is high, but artwork is sooo important at the end of the day.  You'll find plenty of offers to help - go with it.

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« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2016, 12:00:06 am »
It's cool, no worries.   ;)  I'm still undecided on how it will all pan out.  My initial mockups were cartoon based.  I do think comic art will stand the test of time better.  I was having a hard time finding WW pics I liked.  Some I liked but were a little too skanky.  I appreciate the input.  I was going to go with Spider-Woman as the alternate too, but pics were hard to come by and didn't really grab me.  Plus, I think there were no fewer than 3, maybe 4 different Spider Women.  Wonder woman just felt way more recognizable and modernly relevant.  I'll post some more as I get the developments...  (more to come).
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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2016, 02:03:19 am »
I'm sort of rebooting this.  I'm almost certainly bailing on Wonder Woman.  I am considering two distinct possibilities.

1) Spiderman "Alien Costume" and The Silver Sable, or Spider-Woman #3.  This would be a very neutral colored cabinet with a lot of dark grey and black (sort of at odds with the RGB LED lighting).

2) Spiderman and Spider-Woman (First generation).  This would be much more colorful and also be a lot more recognizable to the rest of the population.

As cool as the first option would be, I am leaning heavily toward the second.
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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2016, 07:51:55 am »
Just when I was sort of warming to the idea of Wonder Woman, based strongly on your sweet cabinet name you go and change it?  :lol

I also agree with the others on the comic style, but if you're rolling your own art I definitely understand the limitations.

Keep working dude, I'll be watching your progress!

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2016, 10:12:26 am »
*puts on brutally honest hat*

You need to change that artwork. I quite think the opposite of your post in that you SHOULD use animated images versus live action. I really feel you should nix Wonder Woman and maybe go with Spider-Woman, or even Spider-Gwen with Spiderman. 

Live action just brings two TOTALLY different styles, where animation you can get away with more as it's mostly lines and colors, both of which you can alter to get at least a SOMEWHAT cohesive mix.

Either that, or put on your big boy pants, and build the Spiderman cabinet you really want, and maybe do a bartop or mini of Wonder Woman for the girls once you gain all the knowledge from your first build. From the speaker grills you have chosen, you are not leaving much to the "Wonder Woman" theme, and it's going to be even worse if Spiderman is the dominant design with 3 pictures of WW thrown in to keep the girls happy. I have a wife and 2 daughters, so I get the pain, but c'mon man.  I would be happy to work on some samples if you wish.

And to appease the "if you don't have something nice to say" crowd, I think this build is awesome, and it's your machine that you'll have to look at, but I am saying something early on instead of letting you get all your artwork printed and hating it.

Keep up the good work!
This is what honest feedback is all about. Kudos to you for giving it, and kudos to the OP for taking it for what it is. See, it's not about being negative, it's about improvement. :cheers:

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2016, 08:11:43 pm »
I wouldn't say I really excel at any of the skills needed for these builds, so I appreciate all the help I've received.  I appreciate the compliments on the woodwork, but I know there are a lot of flaws to work out.  Some things, especially art, needs a fresh set of eyes after a while.  I just hope no one take offense if I don't take up a particular suggestion.  Although I am building it mostly by my self, I am including my daughter where I can (ie sanding  ;D) and the cabinet will be for the benefit of more than just me, so there are some considerations for others. 

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Just when I was sort of warming to the idea of Wonder Woman, based strongly on your sweet cabinet name you go and change it?  :lol

Haha, well, the name will probably remain the same.  He was still the Webbed Wonder after all, so it still works. I just wasn't feeling the WW.  I can't describe it, but I just couldn't make it feel right.  Your initial instincts were right!  :D

Cheers  :cheers:
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2016, 08:34:41 pm »
Silver Sable is a pretty badass chick:


This coupling would look pretty cool:


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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2016, 11:59:42 pm »
First time I got to search for images for this cabinet tonight, and I find this in about 2 seconds. BAM! Side art done....


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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2016, 04:41:59 pm »
LOL, thanks dude.  I like that shot!  Do you have a hi-res version of it?

I am planning to use the "standard" Spider-Man costume and Spider-Woman #1 (Jessica), which you have pictured.  I'm combing through some old Spider-Woman comic books to look for some good, clean shots.  Then pare it down to the 2-3 best ones.  Gonna take me a while. 

"I'm just getting started..."  :)


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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2016, 08:09:02 pm »
Thinking something along these lines. Of course, you would need to really get the sizing and colors to match, but just quick image of what's in my head


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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2016, 11:48:04 pm »
Thinking of this for the left side panel:


Want to try and crop and rotate just the characters in this one for the CP:


Sort of two different styles though.  Not sure if I can match them up...
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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2016, 05:55:01 pm »
You have to pick a style that's either exact, or damn near close for all portions of the cabinet. Otherwise, you need to just Modge Podge a bunch of comic book covers on it and call it a day because that's what it's going to look like. Taking a vertical comic cover and trying to stretch it over the width of a CP is just not going to work, unless you have a GIANT image file of it or can raster it up.

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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2016, 10:31:35 pm »
Yeah, those are my worries.  I'm not going to be too anal about the art being the exact same style, if the colors can be brought in line.  I'll see what kind of magic brush my brother can put on it.  Damn man, this is taking as much time as the build!  :banghead:

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2016, 10:00:04 am »
Like others have mentioned, nobody is going to care about how many dovetail joints or beveled edges you put on a cabinet, they are going to take one look at the artwork/marquee and that's what will impress them. Artwork, in my humble opinion, should take just as long, if not longer to put together than a bunch of wood panels. (says the guy with an all black cabinet....lol)


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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2016, 10:02:58 am »
Like others have mentioned, nobody is going to care about how many dovetail joints or beveled edges you put on a cabinet, they are going to take one look at the artwork/marquee and that's what will impress them. Artwork, in my humble opinion, should take just as long, if not longer to put together than a bunch of wood panels. (says the guy with an all black cabinet....lol)
Well said. Artwork is going to be important when you use such a well-known character.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2016, 12:34:29 am »
Been doing a LOT of painting, sanding and painting some more.  I got the power button and admin switch.  Problem is, they are not easily mountable into 3/4 MDF.  The button won't mount in more that 1/2" MAX:


So my plan is to to use this piece of aluminum I cut out and mount the switches to it and then cut out and rebate a small square in the top of the cab and mount the plate there:


I was looking into USB volume options but then discovered the ipac can do it, so my plan is to test out the ipac volume controls and just leave my amp cranked up.

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« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2016, 02:52:14 am »
I use the Ipac volume controls they work fine just need a couple of buttons

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« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2016, 11:54:42 am »
Thanks for the input.  Do you just "shift" a couple buttons on the CP or do you use dedicated buttons?  About how many button presses does it take to go from mute to full volume?  Do you find there enough incremental steps to fine tune the volume? 

A dial would be nice, as they have a better feel to them.  I have a rotary encoder sitting in my drawer, but I'd need a decoding chip.  It would only cost $5-10, but I'm not sure it is worth the time and not sure I want yet another user "input" sticking out of the cabinet.  There's a certain appeal to using buttons already on the CP...

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« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2016, 11:16:59 pm »
I finally measured out the holes for the aluminum plate.  I like to just use the calipers to score the aluminum b/c it's so soft.


A little file work for the switch opening:



Sanded down for painting:



I was really hesitant to blast such a big hole in the top of the cabinet, but I did it:



I got a first coat of paint on the mounting plate and then test fit it into the rebate I cut into the top.  The rebate was tough to cut, but I got it close enough.  I try not to sweat the areas that will likely never be seen up close.



Whew, I'm stoked to finally get to the control panel!

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« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2016, 02:24:46 am »
sorry for the delay. I used two Mini buttons, for volume they should hold up fine

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« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2016, 02:27:52 am »
as far as control its not like having a dial and works about the same as volume buttons on a keyboard

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2016, 10:02:56 pm »
Cool thanks dude.  I'll run some tests. 

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2016, 12:27:00 am »
I'm starting in on the RFID aspect as described up in the initial post.  I picked up these RFID tokens which will be the "magic" game select tokens and the cabinet will use its spidey sense to figure out which game the user wants.  My plan is to print some labels for each of them with a little symbol or game name.  They are 25mm and fit in my suzo-happ mechs, but they are too light and too big to pass through to the coin return.  I just can't seem to get it to happen.  So, I'm thinking of adding a third coin slot between the two and have a different color for the return button.

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« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2016, 11:53:07 pm »
I was really hoping to simply modify a coin mech to still accept quarters but pass the plastic tokens to the return slot but I guess it is not meant to be.  I found 20mm tokens which would have worked but they were type B which my reader won't pick up.  I want the tokens to pass through to the return without having to push the reject button.  So... it looks like I'm headed toward the third slot which I will modify to basically pass everything to the return slot. 

What do you guys think looks best for the location of the slot, left side, right side or the middle?  I'm thinking middle looks best even tough it will be more work.  The middle is slightly too small so I'll have to move one of the others to the side a centimeter or so.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2016, 11:44:44 am »
You should just buy a three slot door. What you intend, to be honest, is going to be a lot of work, throw off the mechanics and aesthetics of the door,  and look like a compromise.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2016, 03:51:01 pm »
That's a good idea.  I'll see if I can find an affordable one.

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2016, 04:35:16 pm »
That's a good idea.  I'll see if I can find an affordable one.

If you can't find one, I might have one laying around somewhere in good condition that I'm not using.

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« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2016, 11:12:24 pm »
Wow, thanks that's a really nice offer.  It would certainly save me some time and effort.  I did some internet searches and am having a hard time finding a 3-slot for sale.  If you find one, please let me know.  Otherwise, I'll get to hacking up this one.  I think I could probably get it to line up OK, but it would be a lot of grinding away.

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« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2016, 11:31:13 pm »
I've made some good progress with the RFID tag reader.  The prototype is up and running.  I cannot get it to work with type 2 tags, but it works great with the Mifare tags I pictured above.  Plus, the 25mm Mifare tags are pretty common and I think should take the same sized sticker as the button overlays. 

Writing the code was a ---smurfette---.  Not because it is particularly complicated but because I suck at programming.  I know there is a way to emulate a keypress through java or script, but it got too complicated and confusing for me, so I'm just going to wire up a relay and use an extra unused port on the ipac to "escape" out of MAME for a game switch.  Ahh, my stress level is down already.   ;D

Next up is to reduce the form factor and slap this puppy on the side of a coin mech.  Wish me luck!
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« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2016, 10:20:25 pm »
Love the RFID idea, but to mod that coin door would be a major PITA, if you post here or KLOV in buy sell or trade for a three slot it probably wouldn't be long of a wait, Now all you have to do is figure out how those kids are not gonna loose the game tokens

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2016, 12:56:00 am »
I'll look in my box o' parts tomorrow. I'm planning on having a Yot-sale soon anyway

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« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2016, 02:46:06 pm »
Yot-sale, haha, I like it.  Thanks for checking.

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Love the RFID idea, but to mod that coin door would be a major PITA, if you post here or KLOV in buy sell or trade for a three slot it probably wouldn't be long of a wait,

Thanks for the tip.  If yotsuya doesn't turn one up, I'll give it a try.  The other issue is I already have the cab cut out for a full size door, so it would have to match up with the cut out.  I sort of assume a 3 slot door would have to be full size. 

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Yeah, I definitely thought about that.  I'll impress upon them that the tokens are worth more than their lives, but it will eventually happen.  The drunken adults might be even worse.  The tokens are relatively cheap and replaceable.  I'm trying to make the code relatively easy to reprogram a new token into.  The stickers will be a ---smurfette--- to replace though.  I'll probably just order at least 2-3 stickers of each game.  I'm also thinking of, instead of a bucket, putting them in a little binder with pages used for coin collectors so there are full sheets to look at and would also be easy to spot missing tokens.

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« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2016, 10:26:28 pm »
Something like this may work
http://lumberjocks.com/projects/73471
Put a sticker on the coins and a matching one in the case behind each one for placement , it will be a quick visual if ones misplaced.

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« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2016, 11:55:34 am »
Wow, nice find dude, thanks.  Hopefully that's dirt and not rust.  I'll look more closely, but it looks like the dimensions and cuts outs will match up.  Will probably need some paint...

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2016, 11:58:33 am »
Sorry for the delay, it was Finals/graduation week at work.

Here it is. A bit dusty, but otherwise solid.



If you're interested, PM me a fair offer and we'll go from there.

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« Reply #69 on: May 26, 2016, 11:51:24 pm »
Stoked to get this action done.  I was putting off the final router work, but it feels good to get it done.  Now I'm going through the process of re-installing Hyperspin, etc. on a different tower.  My stupid wifi board won't connect up to the internet and after burning way too much time, I gave up.  Just ran a cord to install.  Not sure if I need wifi after it is set up anyway...  :dunno



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« Reply #70 on: May 31, 2016, 11:16:30 pm »
After painting my brains out and sanding my fingers off, here is how it is coming together:



I need some input on t-molding colors.  As you can see, the cab has a lot of black.  The marquee will be something like this:



The side art and CP art will have some a few pics of the characters, but will have dark backgrounds.  That means lots of black, some reds, a little gold and blue.  And a little white with the marquee (and I might add a few webs in the corners of the side art. 

I was toying with the idea of using white t-molding to kind of tie in with the marquee font and go for a look like the t-molding was spider web.  But... I'm having my doubts if it will really turn out like that.  Other options would be dark red which would go well with the characters or black, which would look slick but be kind of the safe pick.

Thoughts anyone?  Black, red or white??
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« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2016, 08:46:01 am »


Based solely on the marquee graphics, I would go with red t-molding, second choice would be white. Black is a no-go for me.
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« Reply #72 on: June 01, 2016, 12:24:15 pm »
Wow, sweet, thanks for the visual!  ;D  Yeah, I think black is out.  For the side art, I'm looking at adding some subtle white webbing in the background, so the white might work out well.  I had not considered painting the marquee mounts, but the way you did that looks pretty good. 

I was thinking a dark red, but the characters will probably be a brighter red.  Would everyone agree the t-molding should be the bright red like the characters?  Or darker red, like a transition with the black? 

I'm still undecided.  I'll put up some of the side art when I get home.  Maybe that will help me decide...

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Re: Web of Wonder
« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2016, 12:48:05 pm »
Three-slot coin door should be there by Friday. Can't wait to see what you do with it!

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« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2016, 07:52:04 pm »
I like the red but you could always light it up

https://www.t-molding.com/led-t-molding-housing.htm
 
should be pretty cool, You can go with RED EL Wire, or RGB Strip

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« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2016, 11:01:59 pm »
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Three-slot coin door should be there by Friday. Can't wait to see what you do with it!

Thanks yotsuya, I can't wait to get it and play around with it.  I'm just about ready to mount it up.  I hope I can do something great with it!

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LEDs always tug at my heart strings, but I think that would be a bit overloaded.  I'm already planning on running a few down low, and in the buttons.  I don't want too much of a Vegas feel.

Leaning toward red now.  But dark red or bright red?   :dunno

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« Reply #76 on: June 02, 2016, 10:35:14 am »
I would first concentrate on getting all the art finished, maybe there will be different tones of red in it. The t-molding literally is a finishing touch, no need to worry about it now. Mayhaps you can order samples in different color tones, put one on the left side, one one the right and then decide which way you want to go. Also keep in mind that if you want to paint the marquee holders, you have to be able to match or approximately match that color to the color of the t-molding.
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« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2016, 10:07:22 pm »
Well... crap.  Yotsuya was kind enough to dig out the coin door for me, but the spacing turned out to be too small for my modified mech.  I would have had to modify it anyway.  After much deliberation, I decided to keep it as is and just set out about modifying the 2 coin door I had.  Here's a brief walkthrough:

If the existing slots had been mounted just another 1/8 inch apart I could have just squeezed the third in-between.  For some reason, the designers decided to make my life a little harder.  So, I had to cut a new opening in the middle for the new slot and also slide one of the existing ones over a little bit.

First, I traced a template of the cut-outs onto graph paper:


Then I cut out the template with an exacto knife:


Then I took a paint pen and colored in the cut outs:


Drilled out the corners:


I guess I forgot to take pics, but next I basically just ground out all the yellow parts.  The whole proess took about 2 hours from start to finish.
Still need to loosen them up a little and re-center but here's how it came out.  Not perfect, but I'm pretty pleased. 



Thanks to Yotsuya again for working with me to get the door.  I'm hoping to use it for something someday.  Maybe a future build once I get a smaller RFID reader.

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« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2016, 10:11:51 pm »
Bummer the spacing didn't work, but I admire your resilience! Keeping an eye on this!

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« Reply #79 on: June 18, 2016, 10:28:50 pm »
Resilience is spot on mate.  Between the RFID research, tokens, programming, soldering and door mod, I've spent as much time on this one feature than anything else! Thankfully, it's finally coming together.  Here's the finished RFID prototype:



And here it is squeezed into the center coin mech slot.  FYI, I did have to remove some of the components of the coin mech to pass through the plastic tokens.  But removing some of the components also allowed for some more much-needed room.



I got the basics working and tested!  It's not battle tested, but I'll try to put up a short demo video when I get the chance.  Time for a drink!   :D

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« Reply #80 on: June 30, 2016, 08:14:02 pm »
Repaint of the control panel.  It's no "OND" mirror finish, but about as good as it gets coming out of my workshop!


Got some steel bars to hold the sticks in place:


Painted them white and installed with threaded inserts:


The leaf switch converters from Paradise need a little notch cut out for the LED wires.  Which is kind of odd since the buttons, leds and switches all came from Paradise. Anyway, this dremel attachment works perfect:


Wired up the control and power switch.  This plate is going on the top of the cabinet:


Had a partial strip of these 12v leds left over from another project.  I'm going to try and use them in the marquee and behind the speakers.  They are "soft" white, so I hope they work OK and aren't too yellowish.



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« Reply #81 on: July 25, 2016, 10:42:40 pm »
I got the coin door all straightened out and put back together.  As I described in the first post, the third middle slot is the Spidey Sense Game Select System  ;D.  I have only set up a couple of the RFID coins so far for test purposes.  I should be able to expand it to around 50 or so without too much work. 

Here's a short video of the system in action.  It has no real "front end" at this point, so it's kind of raw.  But, of course, the whole point is to avoid the use of a front end.



The video shows me alternating the coins between TopGunner to SuperTank and back to TopGunner.  The first thing it does is exit out of the current MAME instance and then launches the new one.  I built in some pauses to ensure things do not happen too fast.  I will gradually reduce these to an acceptable amount.  I also built in a 5 second "lockout" between coins because trying to exit out of MAME before the startup sequence is complete was giving me some trouble.  I might need to make it 10 seconds or more.

I'm ordering some custom decals for the coins, so I can't wait to get that.  I'll post some more pics when those puppies come in!
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« Reply #82 on: July 29, 2016, 09:53:16 am »
Okay now that is bad ass! Great job! :applaud:

  
 

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