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Author Topic: PinKadia: MAME, Pinball, and PC games in a combined Pinball and Arcade cabinet!  (Read 4392 times)

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Your approach to conducting business is baffling. If I had an LED controller used by many... And to find out people were using other hardware with it... Well I'd damn well sure want them to be buying this additional hardware from me, and have it available to those who want it, instead of making them sift through other hobbiests' posts on various forums trying to figure out how to use my hardware how they want. For several years you've taken a defensive stance when it comes to advice on better serving customers. Not saying you're doing a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- job. Saying there is always room for improvement. But keep them blinders on! :cheers:
When can we order a ledwiz alternative from you?

I have a pile of LED controllers laying on my soldering table that I intended on selling along with NephRings. I shifted my business from a global focus to a local one two years ago, and I'm glad I did. :cheers:
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Your approach to conducting business is baffling. If I had an LED controller used by many... And to find out people were using other hardware with it... Well I'd damn well sure want them to be buying this additional hardware from me, and have it available to those who want it, instead of making them sift through other hobbiests' posts on various forums trying to figure out how to use my hardware how they want. For several years you've taken a defensive stance when it comes to advice on better serving customers. Not saying you're doing a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- job. Saying there is always room for improvement. But keep them blinders on! :cheers:
When can we order a ledwiz alternative from you?

I have a pile of LED controllers laying on my soldering table that I intended on selling along with NephRings. I shifted my business from a global focus to a local one two years ago, and I'm glad I did. :cheers:
NephRings are badass.

Oh, and mic drop.

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Since i'm still fairly new to the scene here.... help me out.

What's your business based on Nephasth? ....and what are NephRings?

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NephRings were a joystick lighting option I invented (as far as I know). I did a couple manufacturing runs to sell to members here. It was a lot of work for little pay. There was plenty of reward in helping others out with their builds, but I was putting too much time into it. Ended up giving the files to Paradise Arcade Shop. Unfortunately, they never made them available. :dunno Other members here have since come up with various DIY ways to replicate the effect NephRings give. Which is cool, that's what this site is all about, DIY.

Shortly after all that I started up an LLC. First phase of my business was to operate coin op dart boards at bars around town. My league has been growing consistently, and currently in its 6th season (2 years). I just paid all my dart boards off (around a $25k investment) a couple weeks ago. With them paid off and generating a steady and reliable income (which requires almost no work on my part), phase two will kick off relatively soon. But I can't talk about phase two... yet.

My business is just a side business for now. I'm a full time pipeline technician, but the goal is to grow the business enough to quit working for "the man."

Edit: Here's a link to the old NephRing sale thread - http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,132983
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NephRings were a joystick lighting option I invented (as far as I know). I did a couple manufacturing runs to sell to members here. It was a lot of work for little pay. There was plenty of reward in helping others out with their builds, but I was putting too much time into it. Ended up giving the files to Paradise Arcade Shop. Unfortunately, they never made them available. :dunno Other members here have since come up with various DIY ways to replicate the effect NephRings give. Which is cool, that's what this site is all about, DIY.

Shortly after all that I started up an LLC. First phase of my business was to operate coin op dart boards at bars around town. My league has been growing consistently, and currently in its 6th season (2 years). I just paid all my dart boards off (around a $25k investment) a couple weeks ago. With them paid off and generating a steady and reliable income (which requires almost no work on my part), phase two will kick off relatively soon. But I can't talk about phase two... yet.

My business is just a side business for now. I'm a full time pipeline technician, but the goal is to grow the business enough to quit working for "the man."

That sounds great.... I love seeing people able to succeed from hard work!

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While I certainly intended to get another video that showed off the addressable led matrix in action..... I got distracted by a couple of things.

First...I updated to the newest VPX, and the newest UltraDMD.

Then I realised that I had been missing out on a bunch of VPX tables that came out in the last few months!



....but then as I'm about to make a video, my eye caught a great new little program that's a little bit of a game changer....

Pinball FX2 and The Pinball Arcade now have DOF feedback for flipper solenoids (NOT slingshots or bumpers!), RGB lighting and more thanks to a new program called DOFFX2.

It basically maps keyboard keys to trigger Led-Wiz or sainsmart outputs! It also has some other cool features like RGB lighting control, flipper solenoid timers, and more.



Here are videos that demo both Pinball FX2 and The Pinball Arcade on my cabinet running with DOFFX2 (1.3 beta).
 
I have the program set to be always on and active the whole time, and you can see it doesn't interfere with Pinball X running the DOF plug-in.
 
I have the flipper buttons triggering my solenoids.
 
I have the center RGB led strip "flasher" set to random flipper triggered RGB lighting.
 
I have the flippers set to turn on a left flasher as green, and a right flasher as blue.
 
I have the beacon, blower fan, and strobes set to go off during certain moments.... including an appearance from Scotty of Star trek!  ;)

...and other things too.
 
It's a simple demo of the kind of thing that can be done so far...
 
 
Here's a video demo of Pinball FX2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz6cnHxT_rU





Here's a video demo of The Pinball Arcade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Dy1GVjCNw





No more octo coupler circuits needed! This can be used for MAME, PC Games, etc...


Here's a link to the program's thread:

http://www.vpforums.org/index.php?showtopic=35349

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This just gets better and better!!  A VP will be my next build now

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Very nice, where's the tutorial for addressable led matrix setup, that's pretty sharp.

Also did you use a 16 relay board instead of 8 and does the addressable led matrix work with Pinball X?
   

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Very nice, where's the tutorial for addressable led matrix setup, that's pretty sharp.

Also did you use a 16 relay board instead of 8 and does the addressable led matrix work with Pinball X?

I used a Sainsmart NON-USB 16 relay board. It requires each relay to be triggered by low level inputs. This can be an LED-Wiz, Arduino, etc... 

Future Pinball only supports Led-Wiz, so that's why I went this route instead of a USB controlled Sainsmart ...and also for 10 solenoids, plus more toys in the future.


As for the addressable led strips and matrix..... there's WAY too much information for me to post here for a tutorial. It ONLY works with Visual Pinball and Pinball X because it works through Direct Output framework.

I will still be posting gameplay videos to demonstrate some of the cool features...  I just got side-tracked with beta testing this DOFFX2 program that has been progressing with some VERY cool new features, that allows it to be used with ANY program. MAME, PFX2, TPA, PC Games, other emulators, etc...


Here is the thread where I basically got all of my information for the addressable LED strips and matrix. It's a lot of information over a lot of pages....

http://vpuniverse.com/forums/topic/2180-addressable-rgbs/page-17






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ok so i just want to use it for pinball x table selection not future pinball. I like the strips on the side mainly.
   

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ok so i just want to use it for pinball x table selection not future pinball. I like the strips on the side mainly.

You would still need to install DOF and get that software up and going first. You pretty much will need to get Visual Pinball up and running to be able to test that out most likely.

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So you used, 16 relays, a teensy and a led wiz correct.  I'm trying to see what all i need to buy.



   

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So you used, 16 relays, a teensy and a led wiz correct.  I'm trying to see what all i need to buy.

Sainsmart 16 relay NON-USB 12V relay board:

http://www.sainsmart.com/16-channel-12v-relay-module-for-pic-arm-avr-dsp-arduino-msp430-ttl-logic.html

Teensy 3.2, OctoWS2811 Adaptor, Pins, USB Cable:

https://www.pjrc.com/store/octo28_adaptor.html

Led-Wiz 32 port with heatsinks:

http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=82&products_id=239

You would also need a separate 5V power supply good enough for how many LEDs you would use, and its recommended to get a separate 12V supply (for Sainsmart, solenoids, normal LED strips if you use them, etc) as well to protect your PC.

Just remember, Future Pinball will only have a few tables that will work with Led-Wiz. You will have to program in the Led-Wiz support yourself for most tables. (something I haven't done yet)


The addressable LED-Strips require dB2S server and DOF setup and installed. You pretty much need a full Visual Pinball 10 all in one installer, then you need to setup DOF for your system. Everyone's configuration will be different.  Lot's and lots of reading....

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Ok thats where you confused me, you said no octocouplers in another post.

To be clear, i dont want to use this function for any table, just for table selection in pinball X.  The shapes, with the side leds is all i want during table selection.

So do i still neds dbs2 and visual pinball setup just to do that.  I'm just going to run Future pinball only in this cab for now.

Trust me my head is spinning, i've been reading like crazy, even your posts when you were getting started  :) 
   

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OK....as far as the addressable LED strips and the back matrix just in Pinball X, you WILL need to have this installed:

Teensy hardware and parts, 5V supply, wiring, connectors,etc...

Software:

d2BS server
Direct Output Framework (DOF) completely setup and configured. (I configured this partially with Visual Pinball. Not sure how to do that part without it)
Pinball X with DOF plug-in

The shapes and effects in Pinball X are all controlled by DOF. The back matrix will only show up for "table names" that have been configured for DOF.... so alot of Future Pinball tables "may" not show anything on the back matrix while browsing through Pinball X. Same goes for MAME, etc...


When I refer to no Octo-couplers...that is referring to not requiring an Octo-coupler circuit to trigger solenoids for your flippers in programs that don't use LED-Wiz or DOF  (PFX2, TPA).  That's why the program DOFFX2 is a big deal, because you can just do it through software instead of having your flipper buttons wired to a separate Octo circuit that triggers the solenoids and your gamepad / controller at the same time, ALL the time.


Believe me, my head is still spinning.....


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Interesting, no ledwiz?
   

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Interesting, no ledwiz?


Not for addressable LEDs.

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AAAAAAH! Disaster has struck.



My center "DMD" / Marquee / extra display" monitor has died on me. I can't complain, it was 10 years old after all....

However, that means I have to replace it with a new monitor / TV.



The bad news, is:

I have to figure out how to mount this new screen. Old one was a 5:4 monitor with no vesa mount at all, new one is a 16:9 TV.

I have to make a new bezel to fit this new screen.

I have to re-do all my media to fit the new bezel.

New bezel will be a tad bit shorter on the 4th display

Future Pinball tables all have to be re-edited to fit the new bezel's 4th display area.



Good news:

The screen quality and colours will look much nicer. (You guys can't tell how dim and faded it was looking by my pics or videos)

I may re-do the speakers into 4 holes to better accommodate my RGB "flashers".

I'll have a monitor that will be much easier to remove.



I can hear you guys screaming.... "Dude, get a real DMD!"

If I put a real DMD into the back of my cabinet, there would be ALOT of unused space left as I can't fit another screen and a DMD into there. It really would look odd, and I'd hate it. Also, I really like having that extra "display area". Especially for MAME and Future Pinball.

Also, the cost of a DMD even with DIY would cost alot more than this new screen which was real cheap and looks great.



Alot of work to do now....but once its installed I WILL show some gameplay footage of VP with the addressable LEDS and matrix, before re-doing all the other stuff.

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Visual Pinball Addressable LED Matrix Gameplay Videos!


Well, after a few distractions:  my middle screen dying, creating a new bezel, getting VPX running in exclusive fullscreen issues, etc....


They are finally here! I said a while back I would get around to showing some videos of VP gameplay and effects from addressable leds through DOF....so here they are!


Unlike the rolling effects while browsing in Pinball X, these are different things that occur from various tiggers throughout gameplay. Explosions, looping effects, rocket trails, sparkles, symbols, shapes....all sorts of things.

Please note: this was the best angle I could get that would still show all 3 sections of the addressable LEDS. The brightness of the LEDs can also be adjusted...so you don't need to worry about being blinded while playing!

I apologize if I seem to repeat myself a few times....the damn power kept going out while I was recording, so I lost track of what I said in earlier videos.


This first video shows Bride of Pinbot and Attack From Mars. Lots of different types of effects shown.... I continued to make other videos, even after the power goes out at the end of this video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoASoX-mvcc




This second video shows off some explosion effects, trail effects, and more. Tables shown are Medieval Madness, and Monster Bash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyw8Ay-iVgo




This third video shows some cool looping effects from The Getaway, as well as the neat effects in Star Trek and Circus Voltaire!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyWz0oct1pY




This last video show ALOT more tables, and demonstrates how the various lighting toys in a pinball cabinet can be replicated by the back matrix! Also shows some other effects. Tables shown are NBA Fastbreak, Jurassic Park, Scared Stiff, Tales of the Arabian Nights, Transformers, Twilight Zone, and Star Wars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFLd_zC7vrI





I hope these videos do justice in showing off the hard work from everyone involved in making these effects possible!

If there is something specific you want to see, let me know and maybe I can put up more videos!

  
 

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